AT THE GOING DOWN OF THE SUN...

>> Saturday, February 11, 2012

BBC seem pretty happy about this news! They rolled the NOTW and it seem to me that they would just love to ensure that The Sun sets. Thoughts?

38 comments:

john in cheshire 9:23 PM, February 11, 2012  

Remind me, has the bbc reported on any of the malpractices carried out at the Mirror Group or the Guardian Media Group?

Demon1001 9:59 PM, February 11, 2012  

I was thinking exactly the same thing.  It's a bit like the leftie "Group-think".  ;)

Dez 11:54 PM, February 11, 2012  

"BBC seem pretty happy about this news!"  

"Happy" why exactly? Because they reported it? [boggle] 

Sort of like those other bastions of the 'left-wing establishment':  

The Telegraph  
Rupert Murdoch flies into London as five Sun journalists arrested over alleged corruption  

The Mail  
'I will not close The Sun': Rupert Murdoch vows after five MORE journalists are arrested in dawn raids by detectives investigating dodgy payments to police  

The Express  
MURDOCH EXPECTED IN WAKE OF ARRESTS  

The Star  
MURDOCH EXPECTED IN WAKE OF ARRESTS

Although, strangely no mention in "The Sun". Now there's a news source you can really trust.  

David Dunce strikes again! ;p  

The Cattle Prod of Destiny 12:11 AM, February 12, 2012  

I for one won't shed one tear if every NI outlet shut down. 

Murdoch has made many statements about how much he despises the UK, especially the English and he has spent many years actively destroying our culture and institutions.  The world will be a better place when he is no longer in it.

NI is a force for evil, it shouldn't be lamented.

As to the BBC they are tilting at windmills. NI is wedded to dead technology.  It is the internet that will lead opinion in the future not the dead tree press.

They all deserve to burn.

cjhartnett 12:16 AM, February 12, 2012  

Desperate stuff Dez!
This seems to be a half-baked story as yet, but the BBC have been leading all their news bulletins all day with it.
1. FIVE journalists....out of how many Dez?
2. What of the police who took the money?..how many, when, where and why?
3. Do you really think that the BBC and Guardian won`t be coming a cropper before too long...same cesspit, and-given the Dowler duplicity-I`d not be too gullible about what the LeftLib Alliance are saying just yet.
I`ve no time for the Sun myself...but the BBC are riddled with dodgy types that just want a monopoly of virtue for themselves!
You come across as a bit of a dupe Dez, if truth be told....

stevefb 1:37 AM, February 12, 2012  

I think Murdoch should buy the Grauniad. The bbc would go berserk!

Dez 3:21 AM, February 12, 2012  

"half-baked..."

Yes dear. Shame you haven't noticed your pants are on fire.

Demon1001 9:52 AM, February 12, 2012  

Don't buy the Sun, never have.  Nasty little rag, just like the Mirror.  Although the Mirror seems forever stuck in its blinkered little Lefty Hell-hole the Sun flips and Flops like a Milliband policy initiative.

However, we all know that the Guardian and Mirror were every bit as involved with phone-hacking.  We also know that they have used illicitly obtained information (think Wikileaks etc.) so one starts to wonder why this enquiry seems to only be going one direction.  Yes, Piers Morgan was asked questions but that seemed to fizzle out very quickly.

I remember the BBC using illicitly obtained audio recordings (even of that final meeting of the NOTW where Rebekah Thingy closed it down).  These are just as illegal as phone-tapping as far as I am aware.   

So why aren't the organs of the left being also investigated?  Why isn't the Director General of the BBC in the dock answering questions?  Why is the Guardian still allowed to function without being investigated by the enquiry - especially that terrible made-up story about the Millie Dowler messages?  Why isn't Piers Morgan extradited and arrested? 

cjhartnett 10:46 AM, February 12, 2012  

Brilliant comment Dez!
Keep up the good work!...

Scott M 12:48 PM, February 12, 2012  

"However, we all know that the Guardian and Mirror were every bit as involved with phone-hacking."

Oh, "we all know" do we?

Surely you mean "we on this blog tell each other, and talk ourselves into believing it because we're too dense, and too prejudiced, to keep our minds open"…

(And before one of Biased BBC's more intellectually unblessed commenters pipes up, I know David Leigh has said he hacked into an arms dealer's phone once. Anybody who equates that with systematic and endemic hacking of crime victims, celebrities and pretty much anyone a newspaper didn't like much would be even more stupid than B-BBC's usual low standards…)

Span Ows 1:31 PM, February 12, 2012  

LOL! revealed by Newsnight! hahaahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....

Span Ows 1:35 PM, February 12, 2012  

yes, we know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Motorman_(ICO_investigation)

Guido did a handy graph so even dullards get the picture.

Span Ows 1:37 PM, February 12, 2012  

Tell me Dez Dunce, did David say no-one else reported it? If not I fail to see the point of your post.

David Vance 1:41 PM, February 12, 2012  

Poor Dez. He can be relied upon to miss the point. 

Span Ows 1:45 PM, February 12, 2012  

How well do you know David Leigh Scott?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/dec/04/mondaymediasection

<span>"There is certainly a voyeuristic thrill in hearing another person's private messages."</span>


"<span>And unlike the News of the World, I was not paying a private detective to routinely help me with circulation-boosting snippets. That is my defence, when I try to explain newspaper methods to my current university journalism students, and some of whom are rather shocked. There are other techniques I have used, along with the rest of Fleet Street."</span>

Hacking is hacking (even though none of this, even NOTW, is real hacking but that is what we now have to call it)

Geyza 1:47 PM, February 12, 2012  

Except that those same allegations were all over the blogosphere, not least highlighted on Guido's order-order blog, for some weeks prior to the BBC "breaking" (so-called) the news.

Roland Deschain 2:29 PM, February 12, 2012  

Can't say I saw any bias in the BBC reports I watched.  What worries me is the apparent witch hunt against the Sun (which I've never bought, and never will) when no-one can seriously think it was the only one carrying out these actions.

Remember, no-one except left-wing politicians and celebrities with an axe to grind against Murdoch gave a damn about it all until it was thought they may have got into Milly Dowler's phone and deleted messages.  That it subsequently turned out there was no proof it was the journalists who deleted the messages (as far as I recall) seems to have been quietly put on the back shelf in a fit of moral righteousness.

Scott M 3:49 PM, February 12, 2012  

So amusing, something like that coming from David Vance.

Dez is right – there is nothing in the BBC's report to support Vance's claim that the BBC "seem pretty happy". But then, he's not exactly one to worry about facts when there's some BBC bashing to be had... 

London Calling 3:50 PM, February 12, 2012  

Time Murdoch sued the Guardian to court for effectively shutting down the NOTW with its Milly Dowler falsehoods. Drive one wooden stake through the black heart of The Guardian, and watch all the bBC news staffers clutch their chests.

London Calling 3:54 PM, February 12, 2012  

<span>Time Murdoch sued the Guardian </span><span>and bankrupted its owners</span><span> for effectively shutting down the NOTW with its Milly Dowler falsehoods. In the best Hammer Horror tradition, drive a stake through the black heart of The Guardian, and watch all the bBC news staffers clutch their chests and start foaming at the mouth.</span>

Scott M 3:54 PM, February 12, 2012  

And Operation Motorman is different from phone hacking. All papers implicated in the OM report have questions to answer – not least the Daily Mail, which was by far and away the largest and most frequent client of Whittamore's.

Scott M 3:54 PM, February 12, 2012  

Like I said, anybody who equates that with systematic and endemic hacking of crime victims, celebrities and pretty much anyone a newspaper didn't like much would be even more stupid than B-BBC's usual low standards.

Thanks for reinforcing the point.

ltwf1964 4:07 PM, February 12, 2012  

the weekend yawnmeister returns

all the gay bars closed then?

ltwf1964 4:10 PM, February 12, 2012  

for a place with such "low standards" trolling idiots like you just can't stay away

bit like your personal life maybe.....

Span Ows 4:57 PM, February 12, 2012  

LOL, Scott, a pompous hypocrite? Surely not...the man admits the same crime and you say there are no similarities; lefty good rightie bad: all that is reinforced is your own vacuousness. 

Span Ows 5:05 PM, February 12, 2012  

...that would be the Milly falsehoods by Guardian<span><span> </span></span><span>investigations editor </span>David Leigh, you know, the one Scott thinks should be able to hack and lie and lawbreak to his heart's content.  

cjhartnett 6:07 PM, February 12, 2012  

Like Demon above, I too have never bought a Sun paper before.
Yet I`m told dear Rupert is visiting us all soon and I for one will happily buy one on that day-as long as I know the route he will be taking into Wapping from Heathrow, so I can wave it in tribute to him.
Reckon the BBC will send me a cameraman to report on this ...after all they`ve used convicted bomb plotters and Johnny Marbles-and I don`t have a criminal record, so they could do worse-indeed they already have!

George R 6:56 PM, February 12, 2012  

The only  'tabloid' paper which the BBC-NUJ is positively interested in  is the Labour Party promoting 'Daily Mirror', whose Associate Editor, and Labour Party propagandist, Mr Kevin MCGUIRE, is forever on the BBC-NUJ.

George R 6:59 PM, February 12, 2012  

<span>The only  'tabloid' paper which the BBC-NUJ is positively interested in  is the Labour Party promoting 'Daily Mirror', whose Associate Editor, and Labour Party propagandist, Mr Kevin MAGUIRE, is forever on the BBC-NUJ.</span>

Demon1001 7:46 PM, February 12, 2012  

My word, we are getting close to home here judging by the number of Defenders of the Indefensible all out at the same time.  Scotty, Dezparate, are you now frightened that your beloved organs of left-wing lies and propaganda may also be eventually held to account in the same way as NI? 

I hope you are right to worry, because if we can have a level playing field, including the de-politicising of the BBC, it would suit all those who believe in decency and humanity.  You wouldn't like to have your side's policies held up to the same scrutiny as is those of your enemies.

London Calling 9:12 PM, February 12, 2012  

I never read the News of the World, and never read the Sun. Yet millions do, and I endorse their right to buy a paper of their own choosing, and expect to be granted the same freedom. Just because I hate loathe and despise the Guardian does not mean white middle-class left wing pricks shouldn't be allowed to buy it. The restriction of choice comes from the Left trying to bring down Murdoch, so they can have a monopoly of falsehood-reporting. The enjoyment of falsehoods and trivia are everyone's human right, at their own expense. That just leaves the thorny issue of the telly-tax....

David Vance 9:45 PM, February 12, 2012  

Scott. You are always more amusing. Albeit accidentally  ;)

John Anderson 10:31 PM, February 12, 2012  

News Corporation made bumper profits last year.   Murdoch will survive all the tawdry BBC and Guardian spleen.  And his family will survive him,  and still likely control the group. 

The BBC will get its comeuppance.   It is indeed a fight for a free press.

George R 10:52 PM, February 12, 2012  

The 'Daily Mail, a competitor of 'The Sun' is concerned with the nature of the police action:



"What next for the Sun? Rupert Murdoch to fly to London after five more senior journalists are held in investigation into corrupt payments to police officers. <span><span>Paper's deputy editor, picture editor, former chief reporter and chief foreign correspondent arrested and bailed by police</span></span> <span><span>Twenty officers raid ONE of the men's homes as News International seeks assurances over independence of 171 police assigned to investigate</span>
<span><span></span></span></span><span><span>Arrests come just two weeks after four of paper's most senior staff were also held on corruption allegations</span></span> <span><span>Current Sun editor 'shocked' by latest wave of arrests</span></span> <span><span>Rupert Murdoch forced will fly in to reassure staff he plans to continue owning and publishing the Sun</span></span> <span><span>Reporters at the paper said to be 'stunned' by arrests, with 'unusual' atmosphere in Sun newsroom today"
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099947/Rupert-Murdoch-fly-London-5-Sun-journalists-held.html#ixzz1mD7NOwM4

George R 10:56 PM, February 12, 2012  

<span>The 'Daily Mail, a competitor of 'The Sun' is concerned with the nature of the police action: - 
 
 
 
"What next for the Sun? Rupert Murdoch to fly to London after five more senior journalists are held in investigation into corrupt payments to police officers. </span>
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<span><span><span>Paper's deputy editor, picture editor, former chief reporter and chief foreign correspondent arrested and bailed by police.</span></span> </span>
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<span><span><span>Twenty officers raid ONE of the men's homes as News International seeks assurances over independence of 171 police assigned to investigate.</span>  </span></span>
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 <span><span>Current Sun editor 'shocked' by latest wave of arrests.</span></span>
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<span><span></span></span> <span><span>Rupert Murdoch forced will fly in to reassure staff he plans to continue owning and publishing the Sun.</span></span>

<span><span>Reporters at the paper said to be 'stunned' by arrests, with 'unusual' atmosphere in Sun newsroom today".  
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Read more: <span>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099947/Rupert-Murdoch-fly-London-5-Sun-journalists-held.html#ixzz1mD7NOwM4</span>
</span><span><span>Arrests come just two weeks after four of paper's most senior staff were also held on corruption allegations.</span></span></span>

George R 11:00 PM, February 12, 2012  

<span><span>The 'Daily Mail, a competitor of 'The Sun' is concerned with the nature of the police action: -   
   
   
   
"What next for the Sun? Rupert Murdoch to fly to London after five more senior journalists are held in investigation into corrupt payments to police officers. </span> 
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<span><span><span>Paper's deputy editor, picture editor, former chief reporter and chief foreign correspondent arrested and bailed by police.</span></span> </span> 
<span></span> 
<span><span><span>Twenty officers raid ONE of the men's homes as News International seeks assurances over independence of 171 police assigned to investigate.</span>  </span></span>  
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 <span><span>Current Sun editor 'shocked' by latest wave of arrests.</span></span>  
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<span><span></span></span> <span><span>Rupert Murdoch forced will fly in to reassure staff he plans to continue owning and publishing the Sun.</span></span>  
 
<span><span>Reporters at the paper said to be 'stunned' by arrests, with 'unusual' atmosphere in Sun newsroom today.    "
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Read more: <span><span>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099947/Rupert-Murdoch-fly-London-5-Sun-journalists-held.html#ixzz1mD7NOwM4</span></span>  
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George R 11:09 PM, February 12, 2012  

This article by Damian Thompson is a relevant re-read. It was written before the latest 'Sun' crisis:


"The Left’s plot for Leveson

You may have thought the Leveson inquiry was all about phone-hacking and the ethics of the gutter press. So did I, at first, and like everyone else I was appalled by some of the revelations. But the longer it goes on, the clearer it becomes that there is an unspoken understanding between liberal politicians, 'ethically aware' celebs and their allies in the BBC. These people want to eliminate the most effective opponent of Britain’s Left-wing establishment – the popular press. Without certain newspapers, outrageous acts of social engineering and taxpayer theft would go unreported. That’s what the likes of Chris Bryant want Leveson to deliver. I know it’s boring, but watch carefully."


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100136738/doreens-story-the-heart-rending-truth-about-lazy-cow-syndrome/

George R 11:37 PM, February 12, 2012  

BBC, 'Guardian' and 'Morning Star' all have their political hatchets out: they want 'The Sun' closed down, and News International opposition to their political agenda ended.

Will BBC-NUJ and 'Guardian'-NUJ oppose police action against 'Sun-NUJ? Or will they merely divert their political opposition against Murdoch?

Antony Jay

"But we were not just anti-Macmillan; we were anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-patriotism, anti-monarchy, anti-Empire, anti-police, anti-armed forces, anti-bomb, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, we were anti it."
Antony Jay, Telegraph, July 2007

Andrew Marr

"..the final answer, frankly, is the vigorous use of state power to coerce and repress. It may be my Presbyterian background, but I firmly believe that repression can be a great, civilising instrument for good. Stamp hard on certain 'natural' beliefs for long enough and you can almost kill them off."
Andrew Marr, The Guardian Feb. 1999

Jeremy Paxman

"But the bigger question is whether the BBC itself has a future. Working for it has always been a bit like living in Stalin’s Russia, with one five-year-plan, one resoundingly empty slogan after another. One BBC, Making it Happen, Creative Futures, they all blur into one great vacuous blur. I can’t even recall what the current one is. Rather like Stalin’s Russia, they express a belief that the system will go on forever."
Jeremy Paxman, The James McTaggart Memorial, 24th August 2007

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